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Server Discussion => Deathrun Hell => Topic started by: Wizzy on March 09, 2013, 02:57:34 am
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I am suggesting that nominating and voting for maps is completely removed from deathrun. We literally had an argument over what maps are good, what maps are bad, what maps we can play on, which ones we can't play on. It broke down into a mud flinging contest and a nomination war. Remove the nominating and voting and you stop the stupidity and people bitching about maps. It also prevents the same 7 maps from being played over and over again, and gives a challenge to players who have never played on certain maps, or never vote for them because they are too hard. The whole purpose of deathrun is for the player to survive as long as possible and make it to the end to win, and the hale's job is to stop them. When people argue over maps it kinda removes from that idea, I like to have variety, it helps me learn new techniques and increases my skill level as a player, not spamming the same 7 maps where you just rush to the end as fast as possible. Just my two cents.
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I am suggesting that nominating and voting for maps is completely removed from deathrun. We literally had an argument over what maps are good, what maps are bad, what maps we can play on, which ones we can't play on. It broke down into a mud flinging contest and a nomination war. Remove the nominating and voting and you stop the stupidity and people bitching about maps. It also prevents the same 7 maps from being played over and over again, and gives a challenge to players who have never played on certain maps, or never vote for them because they are too hard. The whole purpose of deathrun is for the player to survive as long as possible and make it to the end to win, and the hale's job is to stop them. When people argue over maps it kinda removes from that idea, I like to have variety, it helps me learn new techniques and increases my skill level as a player, not spamming the same 7 maps where you just rush to the end as fast as possible. Just my two cents.
Maybe change it to donators nominate only? If not, then I guess they can remove it.
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I don't really think that removing map voting entirely is the way to solve that issue. Neither would making it be only accessible to donators. If you want to see variety, nominate maps that are underplayed.
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I don't really think that removing map voting entirely is the way to solve that issue. Neither would making it be only accessible to donators. If you want to see variety, nominate maps that are underplayed.
The only problem I see with this is what happens on the server actively. Since barely anyone knows the maps that aren't nominated because a lot of new people come onto the server, the nominations usually slide over the played maps. With this, even if another map that isn't played gets nominated, the newer people will pick what map they know/what the rest of the crowd is wanting them to go to.
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The removal of map-nomination won't lower the amount of stupid mud-slinging at all. It's just the nature of the server.
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Some people literally nominate a map as soon as a new map loads up, I am only 1 person, and I don't load up the fastest, so I often get stuck nominating a map last. It's a whole bunch of nonsense when people get into nomination wars over the same 7 maps and start whining and fighting because their map did not get the first nomination, and the crying over the "1 spam". If you set the maps to random it will keep us guessing, and if it cycles through them all before cycling through again it keeps us guessing, and we get to play on all the maps.
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Voided have you ever heard of the legendary "1 spam"? If i nominate the worst map in deathrun and its in the 1 vote slot everyone will vote for it cry for 30min why we are on this shitty map and then i can nominate another map first then the cycle continues
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Removing map voting doesn't solve 1 spam.
Reordering how the maps display in the list or require other keys to be pressed solves 1 spam.
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Okay, how about this, we remove the nominating sequence, and have the server pick a map at random, and we vote on whether or not we play on it, or if we want to skip it, if we skip, it will just choose another random map and make it the map we play on. I honestly don't care what maps we do play on, I just like having some variety and a challenge, and as I have said, arguing over maps and making a nomination war seems pretty silly.
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I still don't believe that removing nominations is the right way to go. While it may make some group of players happy, others will potentially be upset. For now I'm not going to be making any changes, as nominations and map voting are the mainstay and de facto method of choosing maps on many servers, and it's expected to be in place by many players.
However, I will look into seeing if the map vote process can be modified.
Here are some ideas I have in mind (these are only prospective ideas, which may or may not be implemented at some point):
- It would be ideal to move the voting keys down a few numbers so that instead of 1 through 6, players must hit 4 through 9.
- Randomize the order of maps displayed to every player. So one player's 1 map will differ from another player's 1 map. This has the possibility of confusing many players who expect everyone to see the same order, though.
- Make use of F1, F2, F3, etc. There are significant downsides to this, however, as Valve's voting system has a reduced number of choices so the voting set will be reduced to less maps,and "extend map" would become unavailable.
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I like the second idea, it prevents 1 spamming, it forces players to think about their decisions, and it gives underplayed maps a chance to be voted up instead of being shadowed from the constant nominating - 1 spam chain.
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yes i like that idea
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how about making a vote not count at all be a button for my vote does not matter
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how about making a vote not count at all be a button for my vote does not matter
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Basically jay it means you vote doesnt count towards a map, essentially you are "wasting" it.
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Basically jay it means you vote doesnt count towards a map, essentially you are "wasting" it.
I don't follow. Why would anyone vote towards that?
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I don't follow. Why would anyone vote towards that?
If that is what you want to do with the vote, why even vote at all?
Anyway, I like the random order thing, people always spam the chat with the number that they want others to vote and this will confuse the others into voting for other stuff. It essentially negates the 1 spam entirely. At least until they get smart and check which map is on what number. Then we will probably be doing this discussion again.
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Well joe I am up for any ideas really as long we get to play on other maps more frequently then we do, and people wouldn't have a ground base to argue over maps.
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If you want to see variety, nominate maps that are underplayed.
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So, any final thoughts to this? I fully agree that we should randomize the order, or implement some cycle of random maps.
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So, any final thoughts to this? I fully agree that we should randomize the order, or implement some cycle of random maps.
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Huh, I thought I had commented on this... anyways, yes, randomize the maps. It's always the same few maps (Namely Trollrun, which I don't really like, because of the 1st door where someone has to sacrifice, and it takes forever for someone to go. Everyone chooses it because it has troll in its name.) I'm always wanting to go to try some of the newer maps, since I don't come on as much anymore because the same maps are always played.
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I actually have a legitimate solution to this. In my old FF2 server we got tired of the constant 1 spam, than a admin came up with a bright idea, remove voting 1, 2, 3. A example would be this Mario has been nominated first, Horrors second, Cliffside third, and Hereafter fourth. Usually this would mean 1=Mario, 2=Horrors, 3=Cliffside,4=Hereafter, now that options 1, 2, and 3 have been taken off everyone is left with 4=Mario, 5=Horrors,6=Cliffside,7=Hereafter. The problems with this are as follows, 1. Less Maps to choose from, although I feel this might actually relieve 1 spam, 2. What if people view option number 4 as option number 1, We never had a problem with this in my old server, but it is still a possibility, 3. What if people got to picky, a example being Mario is not widely viewed with benevolence, what if people started to only vote for good maps (by ratings) and not bad map (again, by ratings) all we would play is office, hereafter, winterhill, and trollrun, everything would soon become stale. Well it worked out in my old server so if it was implemented here I would love to see how it turns out.
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one server just has it as that you dont chose the map at all
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one server just has it as that you dont chose the map at all
The problem with that is people like to vote. If you can't allow them to vote, they won't like the server. I would know this since I used to be on a server that did that and it didn't get much appeal compared to when they did allow voting.
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1. remove the prompt that tells you how many people voted for the map
ex. dr_dlux (10)
dr_mario_b3 (5) remove that
2. assign different keys to vote with instead of 1,2,3
3. Have a second vote after the first take like the 3 most voted for maps, and switch the order of the maps from the first vote
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1. remove the prompt that tells you how many people voted for the map
ex. dr_dlux (10)
dr_mario_b3 (5) remove that
2. assign different keys to vote with instead of 1,2,3
3. Have a second vote after the first take like the 3 most voted for maps, and switch the order of the maps from the first vote
1. Why exactly does it need to be removed? I haven't found any problems with it.
2. I'm undecided on this.
3. It takes about 30 seconds to vote on a map. Calling a 2nd vote isn't necessary imo.
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1. remove the prompt that tells you how many people voted for the map
ex. dr_dlux (10)
dr_mario_b3 (5) remove that
2. assign different keys to vote with instead of 1,2,3
3. Have a second vote after the first take like the 3 most voted for maps, and switch the order of the maps from the first vote
1. You can go in the console and see who voted what anyways.
2. I agree, people usually hit 1 to make the menu go away.
3. I don't think this is necessary if you do #2.
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1. You can go in the console and see who voted what anyways.
1. Why exactly does it need to be removed? I haven't found any problems with it.
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1. Who actually knows how to look at that in console only people that i know how to do that are me and a few other people.
2.Gives somewhat of a sense you don't know which map is going to be voted for and if you dont 1 spam you do not have to go with the popular vote, also when there are those votes where its 10-9 people dont change on purpose to get a map voted for cause they can see how many people voted for what.
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2.Gives somewhat of a sense you don't know which map is going to be voted for and if you dont 1 spam you do not have to go with the popular vote, also when there are those votes where its 10-9 people dont change on purpose to get a map voted for cause they can see how many people voted for what.
As mentioned before by Bubby, people can see the votes in console so that won't change it much. Another thing, most don't go by "popular vote", but instead blindly vote 1 or follow what people say by saying VOTE (number). This has been more proven to work for people with mics, but this was just on Trading Hell so I don't know about the other servers.
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As mentioned before by Bubby, people can see the votes in console so that won't change it much. Another thing, most don't go by "popular vote", but instead blindly vote 1 or follow what people say by saying VOTE (number). This has been more proven to work for people with mics, but this was just on Trading Hell so I don't know about the other servers.
It works on every server, not just Trade Hell. Which is why we are having this discussion...
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Who actually looks in the console though really?
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Who actually looks in the console though really?
Me. I just don't call people out when they say they voted for something, but actually voted for something else.