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Server Discussion => Saxton Hell => Topic started by: h_twenty on July 24, 2013, 10:06:01 pm
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Possible ideas for the machina:
Adds a glow to hale for half of the time that the default sniper does
(^And retains it's 15% damage buff)
Or
Still doesn't add a glow (nothing new here)
25%-35% damage buff
Only 15 bullets
Or
Adds an outline to hale
35% damage buff
Cannot receive ammo from dispensers
Move 75% slower during scope-in
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20 bullets and 25% damage bonus
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999 ammo
no scoping
damage reduced by 90%
fire rate increased by 800%
no knockback
LAZORZ
http://youtu.be/NYjLAhpb5TY?t=46s
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infite rounds -80% movement speed
100% damage bonus
-20% charge speed
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For the first suggestion, I like the first idea because it's not changing the Machina much. The change is only a glow effect. As if the Machina's +15% more damage bonus is OP, it's not. You only get it when you're 100% charged up, so it's basically a Sniper Rifle with a +15% bonus at 100% charge. K? K. Adding glow is not game breaking.
For the second suggestion, not giving the Machina any glow (much like it does atm) and giving it a damage boost seems considerable since this sniper is meant for tons of damage. It is not meant for super accurate Snipers because the -10 bullets held is a huge drawback in how much dmg you can deliver before jumping down off a ledge you climbed up with a Bushwacka. I will do the math and post y'all link. I wouldn't say it'd be game breaking, but I guess it's a bit of a nerf in a sense you deal less dmg with 10 less bullets. I don't know. We're not all 100% accurate snipers. Link >>>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55914318/machinasuggestion%232.png
For the third suggestion, you went from 25-35% boost to a flat 35% boost AND outline. The previous idea ^ is inferiour to this one. You get a full outline (the whole whatever the heck long mark with the Sniper Rifle glow) of Hale, and not the 50%. Moving slower scoped in is nothing bad at all since you'll be camping in a ledge because of Bushwacka. Even if some people rely on WASD, they will get used to the slow debuff because you're dealing 35% more damage than the SR, really. You DO NOT get a -10 bullet held thingy, but instead you can only get ammo from ammo packs. Considering some maps prefer small ammo packs or max ammo packs, I don't see a problem. You're a Sniper, Hale won't notice you with that tracer. Just go get ammo and back. I see this suggestion as game breaking, really.
Out of all three suggestions, I like the third one and first suggestion. The third suggestion is game breaking and adds a new playstyle for Machina Snipers on VSH while the first suggestion is just a tiny "scouting" buff for the Machina. I was tired when I typed this, so please give feedback and opinions. I want to see the flaws of my genius work.
EDIT: Remember, all theoretical, so protect the children NSFW.
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>>>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55914318/machinasuggestion%232.png
Of course if both have a steady flow of ammo on hand the machina will beat it out entirely. Such a damage boost would purely be an increase in overall Damage Per Second, at least until the ammo runs dry and the dps falls down a cliff.
Also normally I would use my Sydney Sleeper for Hale, but I hit the hale a lot more when they glow, which may translate to less lost damage through missing or leading out from behind a wall.
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For the first suggestion, I like the first idea because it's not changing the Machina much. The change is only a glow effect. As if the Machina's +15% more damage bonus is OP, it's not. You only get it when you're 100% charged up, so it's basically a Sniper Rifle with a +15% bonus at 100% charge. K? K. Adding glow is not game breaking.
For the second suggestion, not giving the Machina any glow (much like it does atm) and giving it a damage boost seems considerable since this sniper is meant for tons of damage. It is not meant for super accurate Snipers because the -10 bullets held is a huge drawback in how much dmg you can deliver before jumping down off a ledge you climbed up with a Bushwacka. I will do the math and post y'all link. I wouldn't say it'd be game breaking, but I guess it's a bit of a nerf in a sense you deal less dmg with 10 less bullets. I don't know. We're not all 100% accurate snipers. Link >>>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55914318/machinasuggestion%232.png
For the third suggestion, you went from 25-35% boost to a flat 35% boost AND outline. The previous idea ^ is inferiour to this one. You get a full outline (the whole whatever the heck long mark with the Sniper Rifle glow) of Hale, and not the 50%. Moving slower scoped in is nothing bad at all since you'll be camping in a ledge because of Bushwacka. Even if some people rely on WASD, they will get used to the slow debuff because you're dealing 35% more damage than the SR, really. You DO NOT get a -10 bullet held thingy, but instead you can only get ammo from ammo packs. Considering some maps prefer small ammo packs or max ammo packs, I don't see a problem. You're a Sniper, Hale won't notice you with that tracer. Just go get ammo and back. I see this suggestion as game breaking, really.
Out of all three suggestions, I like the third one and first suggestion. The third suggestion is game breaking and adds a new playstyle for Machina Snipers on VSH while the first suggestion is just a tiny "scouting" buff for the Machina. I was tired when I typed this, so please give feedback and opinions. I want to see the flaws of my genius work.
EDIT: Remember, all theoretical, so protect the children NSFW.
if the glow effect was added the machina would be hte most overused weapon besides when the head thing on bargin was just gained by a missed shot and doesnt lose
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besides when the head thing on bargin was just gained by a missed shot and doesnt lose
loved Loved LOVED when the bazaar bargain was broke and gave a head regardless of hitting or not it was so OP and quickly nerfed xD
so many rounds I topped with that, getting 450 shots every second
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me spanish i dont like op shit i use cheap things like loose cannon demo
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looks like i win the round so yeah it would just be op and shit to have it with glow effect just have it with more damage but no glow effect since hale would trace ur rounds to u and who doesnt want to be found when playing as a sniper
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The 2nd suggestion seems nice after some feedback, lol. Glow would be OP with the boost.
EDIT: Well... not OP OP. It would just make Hale easier hitting with the extra damage from the Machina.
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Why does the machina need a buff? It already has a damage boost over the other snipers and can fired when unscoped.
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Because you ruined the Hitman's Heatmaker, so ruin this sniper too, Voidy.
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I like the 2nd as well. It'll ramp up the overtime dps at the cost of requiring a nearby source of ammo.
But what I still don't like is the Hitman's Heatmaker, you spam that and you just don't get any worthwhile damage. Even if you aimbot with it, you aren't going to do nearly as well as any other sniper rifle aiming at the boss.
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LAZORZ
[url]http://youtu.be/NYjLAhpb5TY?t=46s[/url]
Lol I just kind of want to see this even just for 1 day.
MACHINA SNIPER RUSH
record it
lulz
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Why does the machina need a buff? It already has a damage boost over the other snipers and can fired when unscoped.
518 Max possible damage for the machina alone.
450 for the Sniper Rifle
I hope you're good at math, Voidy cuz you're older than me. 518 - 450 = 68. Totally a huge different if it stacks up *totally not enuff* *sarcasm* *just kidding* *liar to the right* *liar to the left*
Not worth the lazurs. Not even 69, too. Come on, Voidy, give more playstyles to weapons like you did to the Hitman's Heatmaker.
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Come on, Voidy, give more playstyles to weapons like you did to the Hitman's Heatmaker.
oh you mean that weapon that literally 99% of people don't use because it's underpowered as fuck
@topic machina doesn't need a buff and I really think it's crazy to do so. I'd pretty much say the same things voidy said with the addition of the fact that it has no real downsides unless you play noscope ninja sniper. (btw the machina is actually much more quiet than the sniper rifle and hit markers give you away anyways)
then again I'm pretty sure op and some other people in this thread don't know the difference between a buff and a rework so why should I bother
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just let it go (inb4 voidy makes every single weapon useless)
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I thought it was a fun thread :P
But ya, it doesn't need any tweaks. (doesn't it already have the ability to noscope fire on the VSH servers?)
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yea it does
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And then the climax ends and begins the downfall of this thread. Rip in peace, thread.
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now wat next to talk about
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maybe make the heatmaker not completely worthless
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how bout here me out make he piss rifle shoot more piss
and make it do rapid fire
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how bout here me out make he piss rifle shoot more piss
and make it do rapid fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vyZ4VOYyIs
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I'm dicking around with the Hitman's Heatmaker cuz I dont feel like trying right now. But daaaaaaaaaaamn is that gun worthless on these vsh servers. The effort from the whole game can be beat be 3 or 4 shots from stock, and the entire ammo pool is beat out by 5 shots from stock assuming you aimbotted
also I don't think it can even damage a boss if they teleport into you...
So I've noticed the heatmaker does 36 damage and can charge up to 135 damage. What would make it not-crap is if when you charge it and hold M1 without unscoping you keep that charge level instead of it resetting back to 36 on the 2nd shot in the same scope session.
135 x 60 = 8100, opposed to stock's 450 x 25 = 11250