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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: VoiDeD on September 22, 2014, 12:20:13 am
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Just wanted to take some time to write out an announcement about some of our future plans regarding the servers and to allow you guys to provide some input on this.
Our current plans for the somewhat foreseeable future are to relocate our servers to a new hosting provider.
The primary reason for this decision: I'm frankly getting annoyed by the poor condition of our current host's networking situation. We've been with our current host for perhaps 3-4 years (this predates the formation of this TF2 community as well) and, for the most part, we've been satisfied with what we were paying for. As of late, however, it's become clear that our current host simply doesn't have the capacity to withstand the occasional DDoS attack and their network (and the networks they peer with) has become detrimental and less ideal to hosting game servers like ours.
So, here's the upside:
1. We're going to be buying brand new beefy hardware. This should translate into more server capacity, and we can think about expanding our servers to run more gamemodes (surf, slender, etc) in the future. It's hard to tell just how many more servers we'll be able to run just yet, but once we're situated at our new host we'll be able to see.
2. We're going to be on a better network that should alleviate some of the complaints we all share about random ping (300+) spikes that last hours on end for only certain groups of players.
And here's the downside:
Our server is currently located in Dallas, Texas which places it roughly in the center of the United States networking-wise. Our new server is going to be located near Montreal, Canada; namely in Beauharnois. This means that, due to the laws of physics and the wonderful limit to the speed of light, some players located on the west coast will inevitably have a higher ping to the new location.
It (hopefully) won't be too bad for the majority of our players, and after some spot checking with a few people located in California they reported only getting 30ms over what they currently get. One reason for this is due to our new host's US network (http://www.ovh.com/us/images/news/bhs_network/bhs_network_1_en.png). If you live near one of the cities marked as a "Point of Presence" you should generally get favorable latency. If not, your latency may be higher.
If you're curious about how your ping will be (and I know I definitely am), please use this speedtest site (http://ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net/) and post what kind of ping you're getting compared to what you currently get when on our servers right now and the general location where you live.
The time frame for all of this is roughly during the second week of October, as that's the time of our current billing cycle and we'll want to ensure we have a full month to evaluate the move and not have to pay for more months of extra hosting than we need to. Since we'll inherently be paying for another server during the move, that time would be ideal if anyone is looking to donate and support us (http://saxtonhell.com/Home/Donate).
Additionally, another thing that will inherently be changing is that our servers will be getting new IP addresses. If you have our servers favorited, this should hopefully be painless as Steam should automatically update your favorites to include our new IPs.
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58 ms
Charlotte NC
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86 San Diego County, CA
shouldn't be much of a problem, I usually get 50-60
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(106 on the website, but my ping's usually ~46 in-game atm when it said 64 so ~86). San Fernando Valley.
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My average ping will go from like 126 to 66 :P cuz I'm in Canada
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Pa with a good 50 ping
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25
Easton PA
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RIP mexicans
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RIP mexicans
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17 ms - 80 ms from home
steady 70 ms from work.
Modifying cause I'm an idiot. This is Houston, Texas relay.
It's not as optimal as it was when it was located in Dallas, but if it stops the random 300-500 ping nights, I'm all for it.
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56 ms
Raleigh, NC
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111 south/west germany... meh.
but its 160~ on the servers right now.. :P
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woo Canada
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87 ms right now
36 ms on speedtest website
i don't live in canada i swear
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70 ms according to the site.
in the server's current spot i get anywhere between 20-40.
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San Fernando Valley (southern California) - Ping time to current server (tf.saxtonhell.com) is avg. 49ms but with the networking issues of the current host it is often upwards of 150ms on avg. Ping time to OVH's BHS datacenter (ipv4.bhs.proof.ovh.net) is avg. 94ms.
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81 ms, Sacramento California.
a bit higher than what I currently get(64ms), but whatever helps the servers is best.
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RIP mexicans
All the good players are mexican :(
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173 ms from
bumfuck middle of nowhere around Hazleton PA. :P
Can't tell if it'll be better or worse. I have shitty net either way!
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also, if they'res going to be downtime, i suggest doing it during ssb4.... since everybody will be obsessed with it for a month or two.
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1. We're going to be buying brand new beefy hardware. This should translate into more server capacity, and we can think about expanding our servers to run more gamemodes (surf, slender, etc) in the future. It's hard to tell just how many more servers we'll be able to run just yet, but once we're situated at
HYPE
MUCH OF IT.
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HYPE
MUCH OF IT.
Maybe we'll even take server suggestions. As much as I would want it, I think MvM is not an option. Anything else could be.
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Maybe we'll even take server suggestions. As much as I would want it, I think MvM is not an option. Anything else could be.
I still want MVM though :(
But I do want Slender Hell the most, I'm actually making a map for it right now.
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Maybe we'll even take server suggestions. As much as I would want it, I think MvM is not an option. Anything else could be.
Congrats on admin btw and i do want another MVM server and i got a ping of 52 from Dusty Dickinson,North Dakota with a normal ping of around 60-70
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The biggest reason for not having an MvM server is the 6 person limit, 10 if you run the mod. Seems like a bit of a waste when we can get up to 32 on other servers.
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Download Speed: 15806 kbps (1975.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 5915 kbps (739.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 52 ms
9/23/2014, 4:36:55 PM
is this good or bad cause i cant tell
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Download Speed: 15806 kbps (1975.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 5915 kbps (739.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Latency: 52 ms
9/23/2014, 4:36:55 PM
is this good or bad cause i cant tell
52ms is pretty good since anything above 120ms is where latency usually becomes noticeable, but it can vary from connection to connection. What is the ping you usually get to the current server? If you don't know, join any SXH server, open console, type "ping" without the quotation marks, hit enter and post the number that appears next to your name.
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Sweet! I get roughly 45-65 ping on this server, and the occasional lagspike that brings me to 150 or so.
The speedtest thingy says my ping will be around 29.
EDIT: I'm from mid-New Jersey.
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i still get 45-50 ping in sxh
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i still get 45-50 ping in sxh
Then the only difference will be that you (hopefully) won't get random latency spikes like on the current host. You shouldn't notice any difference with 2-9 extra ms response time.
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As soon as I saw the words "Montreal, Canada" oyiss
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-25-2014/Vekomj.gif) (http://www.makeagif.com/Vekomj)
57ms Winnipeg, Canada but i actually get 100 in dbs, dr
I may have to prepare my wallet and support that move :P
and it would be nice if you add MVM servers
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and it would be nice if you add MVM servers
No promises, but I would want MVM to make a return.
Anywho, it looks like for the most part everyone will have fairly ideal latency. If you'll be getting around 100ms or below you should be fine. Above that, and you should be able to play with your cl_interp value to get a better feel.
If anyone does live somewhere around Mexico, it would be nice to know what kind of latency you guys will be getting.
Also if someone is interested in seeing what their true ping to the new server will be, ping this hostname (here's a guide on how to do that, if you're unfamiliar (http://www.mediacollege.com/internet/troubleshooter/ping.html)): vulpix.saxtonhell.com
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I got this with the command thing
(http://puu.sh/bSeCk/aeaca9fe61.png)
Not bad I guess
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No promises, but I would want MVM to make a return.
Anywho, it looks like for the most part everyone will have fairly ideal latency. If you'll be getting around 100ms or below you should be fine. Above that, and you should be able to play with your cl_interp value to get a better feel.
If anyone does live somewhere around Mexico, it would be nice to know what kind of latency you guys will be getting.
Also if someone is interested in seeing what their true ping to the new server will be, ping this hostname (here's a guide on how to do that, if you're unfamiliar ([url]http://www.mediacollege.com/internet/troubleshooter/ping.html[/url])): vulpix.saxtonhell.com
305ms from australia.
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If anyone does live somewhere around Mexico, it would be nice to know what kind of latency you guys will be getting.
Tried it with the new pc setup/faster net; steady 53ms (as opposed to the 78-108ms) - seeing as my old setup did 45-57ms true usually, the move is officially negligible delay now.
I'm about 350 miles north of Mexico or 319 miles East of it.
Best person to ask would be "Merio the TacoCat" As he's definitely IN Mexico.
~Kai
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(http://puu.sh/bTe1J/1b3dc86107.png)
I cri evytime
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Voided *throws dart at map* "GUYS WERE MOVING TO MONTREAL!"
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Voidy will have better internet for our servers to upload luves porn stash
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34 ping average *Update* 121 ms....is that bad thing,cause i'm coming from Pomona,CA
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Okay guys and gals, we're doing final prep for our server move. The new dedicated machine is all setup and up and running, and all that's left is transferring all our gamemode content over to the new machine. If things all go smoothly we'll hopefully be fully transitioned and up and running on the new server this weekend.
If you'd like to favorite our new server IPs before they're fully running, these are going to be the new IP addresses:
Deathrun Hell #1 - deathrun1.hell.tf - 192.99.175.241
Deathrun Hell #2 - deathrun2.hell.tf - 192.99.175.242
Saxton Hell #1 - saxton1.hell.tf - 192.99.175.243
Saxton Hell #2 (gasp) - saxton2.hell.tf - 192.99.175.244
Dodgeball Hell - dodgeball.hell.tf - 192.99.175.245
Prophunt Hell - prophunt.hell.tf - 192.99.175.246
Jump Hell - jump.hell.tf - 192.99.175.247
Trading Hell - trading.hell.tf - 192.99.175.248
Freak Fortress Hell - freakfortress.hell.tf - 192.99.175.249
Zombie Hell - zombie.hell.tf - 192.99.175.250
Fortwar Hell - fortwar.hell.tf - 192.99.175.251
Randomizer Hell - randomizer.hell.tf - 192.99.175.252
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Okay guys and gals, we're doing final prep for our server move. The new dedicated machine is all setup and up and running, and all that's left is transferring all our gamemode content over to the new machine. If things all go smoothly we'll hopefully be fully transitioned and up and running on the new server this weekend.
If you'd like to favorite our new server IPs before they're fully running, these are going to be the new IP addresses:
Deathrun Hell #1 - deathrun1.hell.tf - 192.99.175.241
Deathrun Hell #2 - deathrun2.hell.tf - 192.99.175.242
Saxton Hell #1 - saxton1.hell.tf - 192.99.175.243
Saxton Hell #2 (gasp) - saxton2.hell.tf - 192.99.175.244
Dodgeball Hell - dodgeball.hell.tf - 192.99.175.245
Prophunt Hell - prophunt.hell.tf - 192.99.175.246
Jump Hell - jump.hell.tf - 192.99.175.247
Trading Hell - trading.hell.tf - 192.99.175.248
Freak Fortress Hell - freakfortress.hell.tf - 192.99.175.249
Zombie Hell - zombie.hell.tf - 192.99.175.250
Fortwar Hell - fortwar.hell.tf - 192.99.175.251
Randomizer Hell - randomizer.hell.tf - 192.99.175.252
"hey guys saxton hale #2 is back..." - says nobody.
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As a European I would love to give you a big thanks for the move Voidy. I'm sure you'll also get a lot of thanks from the dodgeball crew, thank you based god. :D
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"hey guys saxton hale #2 is back..." - says nobody.
Because I was told to shut my cake-hole about it until he revealed it :D
Also brb, printer ink flying everywhere except the damn page i want it on.
~Kai
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Saxton Hell #2 (gasp)
:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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pls voidy, get a server and call it pubstomp hell or get one that is a mge training server so we can practice with each other
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>Servers reset
HYPE
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We did it guys. It is with great happiness that I announce: we Canada now.
Our old servers now have redirect plugins up that should bring everyone into our new servers. For those of you who have us favorited, Steam should pick up the new IPs after a few hours (maybe up to a day).
Some additional downsides of this server move: play time tracking and the sprays website will both not be available for the new servers, unfortunately. We're going to be reworking how all that works. Expect a play time reset sometime in the future.
Additionally, I took the liberty of redoing some of our internal layout and config settings, so things may be slightly weird/off/different (like how many maps are included in map votes, and things like that). If you spot anything that doesn't seem to be behaving as it did before, please let me know!
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we Canada now.
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-25-2014/Vekomj.gif)
Still relevant.
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:D
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-25-2014/Vekomj.gif) (http://www.makeagif.com/Vekomj)
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Lets celebrate by going out for a rip, eh?
http://youtu.be/F-glHAzXi_M?t=12s (http://youtu.be/F-glHAzXi_M?t=12s)
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blame canada. (https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/blamer.mp3?_subject_uid=326554131&w=AAD0qwIJoV9E0mXgfOsd6MweoReGtJODytXOJTtUlgb9Zw)
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Okay the scrapbank bot should be working now, and play time tracking should also be working. Still planning on redoing how that works (along with the play time reset) in the future.
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play time tracking should also be working. ...(along with the play time reset)
I love you.
Was getting quite annoying to see that my playtime hours were tripled-quadrupled.
Any ETA on when that's gonna be in effect? (Or at least time relativity - This month, next month, next year...)
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Don't have a date for that yet. It's going to involve a complete redesign so we can track play time on individual servers along with displaying that to everyone in some fashion.
All that layered on top of the fact that I'm drowning in classwork this semester...
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That's never fun (both the work and having to redo it all). Thanks for the info, though, and good luck with it whenever that may be.
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My average ping will go from like 126 to 66 :P cuz I'm in Canada
more like 126 to 106
with these lagspikes, 126 to 400
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The lowest ping i got when i did the speed test thing 23ms but the highest was 254ms
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Test site said I would have a ping of 50 but I got a ping of <10 8)
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All that layered on top of the fact that I'm drowning in classwork this semester...
Voided actually does work? I thought he just moved to Canada and upgraded our servers to Windows 98 and sat there all day.
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i got a latency of 108 ping. Still gotta check on how accurate that is.
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Says I will get 56, I get my favorite number. 34
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Don't have a date for that yet. It's going to involve a complete redesign so we can track play time on individual servers along with displaying that to everyone in some fashion.
All that layered on top of the fact that I'm drowning in classwork this semester...
Speaking of tracking playtime, will you include a point tracker that tracks the total amount of points you have scored [Scoreboard wise(Example:I score 84 points on Round A and score 93 on Round B, then close TF2. I would therefore have 177 points and be ranked #4 under another player with 198 points in total), not just the amount of people you've killed as Hale like game tracker does] in FF2 and a separate tracker for SH on the website? http://saxtonhell.com/Home/TopPlayers (http://saxtonhell.com/Home/TopPlayers)
The score tracker on gametracker seems to be unreliable, since it only knows you by your name, not by your steam ID(In other words, doesn't give you your points if you change your name), unlike your top players scoreboard on this website.
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Speaking of tracking playtime, will you include a point tracker that tracks the total amount of points you have scored [Scoreboard wise(Example:I score 84 points on Round A and score 93 on Round B, then close TF2. I would therefore have 177 points and be ranked #4 under another player with 198 points in total), not just the amount of people you've killed as Hale like game tracker does] in FF2 and a separate tracker for SH on the website? [url]http://saxtonhell.com/Home/TopPlayers[/url] ([url]http://saxtonhell.com/Home/TopPlayers[/url])
The score tracker on gametracker seems to be unreliable, since it only knows you by your name, not by your steam ID(In other words, doesn't give you your points if you change your name), unlike your top players scoreboard on this website.
If you look at http://stats.saxtonhell.com/ (http://stats.saxtonhell.com/) there is a button for VSH stats faded out with "COMING SOMEDAY™" over it, so presumably something like that was planned but never completed (I also noticed the prophunt server has working stats but no web page). Hopefully once Voided's classes are done for this semester he will have more time to work on stuff like that.
Edit: Apparently jump stats are still a WIP too by the looks of that page (http://stats.saxtonhell.com/Jump)
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Prophunt stats are here: http://www.gamingmasters.org/prophunt/index.php?page=players (http://www.gamingmasters.org/prophunt/index.php?page=players)
As for stats for anything else, the jump server's speedrun stats are currently the only thing that's on the horizon.
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Prophunt stats are here: [url]http://www.gamingmasters.org/prophunt/index.php?page=players[/url] ([url]http://www.gamingmasters.org/prophunt/index.php?page=players[/url])
As for stats for anything else, the jump server's speedrun stats are currently the only thing that's on the horizon.
voidy pls
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Y is it, since I got banned for 6 months and during that 6 months the stats got reset and I'm on my current rank before I got banned
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If you look at [url]http://stats.saxtonhell.com/[/url] ([url]http://stats.saxtonhell.com/[/url]) there is a button for VSH stats faded out with "COMING SOMEDAY™" over it, so presumably something like that was planned but never completed
hello (http://forums.saxtonhell.com/index.php?topic=978.msg8966#msg8966)
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hello ([url]http://forums.saxtonhell.com/index.php?topic=978.msg8966#msg8966[/url])
>mid 2013
>expecting me to remember (or go back and read) threads from that long ago.
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i'm just pointing it out
i never said i expected anything from you
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How many signatures for the VSH/FF2 damage leaderboards petition voidy
also it seems like vsh/ff2 is more popular than jump hell
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i'm just pointing it out
i never said i expected anything from you
You better not expect anything from me (anything of value at least :P).
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That may actually bring back the regulars whining about the move. Relay killed the video game stars. </BadMusicPun>
I personally haven't been on because I hate the new response time (and the new Borderlands has been out).
I'm chalking up the lower regular turnout to fall game releases right now as I'm guilty of that myself.
~Kai
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That may actually bring back the regulars whining about the move. Relay killed the video game stars. </BadMusicPun>
I personally haven't been on because I hate the new response time (and the new Borderlands has been out).
I'm chalking up the lower regular turnout to fall game releases right now as I'm guilty of that myself.
~Kai
tfw I havent even finished the BL2 main story and I brought the goty edition
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/a3ae6117eae26f561676f7a86eb9d922/tumblr_mp0mw79oAl1rnyeudo1_500.jpg)
More regulars = more competition = more amusement for me
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I am actually pulling out completely, including my donor status, because of this server move. The first blow to my ping was me moving from a decent sized city to a more rural location, that took my ping from 15ms to 30-40ms. This server move then took my ping all the way up to 70ms. The lowest ping I have seen is 65ms. Before I started looking for this post I was starting to do network diagnostics, rebooting everything, testing my router, all that jazz.
It has been a good run, but I think I must start looking for a new dodgeball server. 70ms ping has resulted in making this gamemode nearly unplayable for me. It took me months to get used to 30ms, 70ms is hurting badly.
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I am actually pulling out completely, including my donor status, because of this server move. The first blow to my ping was me moving from a decent sized city to a more rural location, that took my ping from 15ms to 30-40ms. This server move then took my ping all the way up to 70ms. The lowest ping I have seen is 65ms. Before I started looking for this post I was starting to do network diagnostics, rebooting everything, testing my router, all that jazz.
It has been a good run, but I think I must start looking for a new dodgeball server. 70ms ping has resulted in making this gamemode nearly unplayable for me. It took me months to get used to 30ms, 70ms is hurting badly.
U kidding? anything under 100 isn't even bad, elitefag
it's like people complaining their game is running at 60fps instead of 120, theres essentially no difference, then youtube cuts it to 30 anyways
my ping is 15% worse and the server is closer to me than before, think im gonna quit just cuz of that? no
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U kidding? anything under 100 isn't even bad, elitefag
it's like people complaining their game is running at 60fps instead of 120, theres essentially no difference, then youtube cuts it to 30 anyways
my ping is 15% worse and the server is closer to me than before, think im gonna quit just cuz of that? no
Plus its dodgeball lol
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I am actually pulling out completely, including my donor status, because of this server move. The first blow to my ping was me moving from a decent sized city to a more rural location, that took my ping from 15ms to 30-40ms. This server move then took my ping all the way up to 70ms. The lowest ping I have seen is 65ms. Before I started looking for this post I was starting to do network diagnostics, rebooting everything, testing my router, all that jazz.
It has been a good run, but I think I must start looking for a new dodgeball server. 70ms ping has resulted in making this gamemode nearly unplayable for me. It took me months to get used to 30ms, 70ms is hurting badly.
With the move to the new server, I get around 115ms ping up from around 60ms (real ping, not the useless number in the tab list). The added latency doesn't stop me from having fun with others though (because after all, it's only a game, why you have to be mad? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpndHtdl9A)). I realize everyone's connection is different, but I wanted to mention that the added network stability compared to the old host has actually made playing a whole lot easier now that I don't get random packet loss (I have even have won a few matches where it has come down to me against some of the really good regulars despite the fact that my reflexes are not the best).
Anyways, no one is going to stop you from going elsewhere because you lost a few rounds and are a massive try-hard.
(Edited to correct spelling and how I stated a few things)
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I figured I would register to let someone know. It's ping spiking again, went from 80? to 130.
- I use google's dns btw.
- It wasn't just me, one other person had spikes on/off as well.
- It was just the dodgeball server, all the other servers in favorites were fine.
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15 ms *aaww yeaahh*
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Okay so now we've (mostly) finished transitioning our web server and database over to the new host. The websites should be a little snappier now. If something is broken (like post attachments, avatars, etc) let me know!
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Next bit of good news: the sprays website (http://sprays.saxtonhell.com/) is now fully up and running.
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Next bit of good news: the sprays website ([url]http://sprays.saxtonhell.com/[/url]) is now fully up and running.
my porn is going to be back again