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Title: Rank Removal
Post by: HipsterGlaceon on March 14, 2013, 11:59:55 pm
Hey everyone.

This post is to ask your opinions on the Prophunt Stats and if they should be removed or no.

No, this is not a definite thing. This is mostly for opinions.


My thoughts personally are they should be removed. My reasoning being prophunt was more enjoyable and laid back when there were no ranks. Yes, some people care about their rank and some people couldn't give a shit less. My thoughts are being that with ranks gone everyone would be able to enjoy prophunt as it was before: a laid back past time without players stroking their e-penises with their rank every 5 minutes.

Discuss.


EDIT: Removed the poll since people would just vote and not post any opinion about it.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Luvedragon on March 15, 2013, 01:06:18 am
I really wouldn't mind if they were taken out. Everyone is now divided by what rank they hold, and has split people up. It just seems like people don't care about you if you have a low rank. I've hung around on my alt account on a few times, and have had people say things like why should I matter when I have such a low rank. It's sad.

I'd also like to bring up the problem of propmenu. I'm just going to come out and say that a lot of the people who do have higher ranks is because of the usage of propmenu to change into a small/hidden prop every single hiding round. While I do use it on occasion, I still like to play with the prop I am given, because I actually feel like I've accomplished more when I have won with a bigger or harder to hide prop. However, having the advantage to pay to be able to get those easy props isn't right in my eyes. Pay to win, simply put.
However, I know a lot of people donate just because of propmenu. I know I did when I started playing on this server a year ago. However, I continued to pay because I started to enjoy playing on the other servers, and I wanted to support Saxton Hell. For me, it was worth it to continue to pay. To take out propmenu would likely lose donors who have no use for perks on our other servers. If we take out ranks, this would not be a problem. That, or we could restrict propmenu to the "fun" props, such as Merasmus and the like. But, again, there are people who donate just for the ability to use propmenu to gain ranks.

I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on this. And, please, don't just vote on the poll without discussion. Without a discussion, we can't see what you guys have on your minds. Or we could just take out the poll, and force you guys to actually post. Up to Glace, though.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: jay50jay on March 15, 2013, 02:33:45 am
However, I know a lot of people donate just because of propmenu. I know I did when I started playing on this server a year ago. However, I continued to pay because I started to enjoy playing on the other servers, and I wanted to support Saxton Hell. For me, it was worth it to continue to pay. To take out propmenu would likely lose donors who have no use for perks on our other servers.

Still, there's the issue of good old integrity. Do we give players who pay more things that are undeniable advantages, or do we do what most would consider to be the fair and balanced thing and get rid of the prop menu. I'm personally in the latter party, but I doubt that'll change either way. I could draw a comparison to the Hale issue with high-five taunt, but that's a technical problem while this is just removing the plugin or keeping it in.

To reply to the topic, I don't think removing ranks will do much good at all. Sure there may not be a definite number saying who is better than who, but if you join any server regularly, you'll know who the regulars are. Those regulars will tend to be treated better by fellow regulars than new players. Just how it works on all communities.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Marshii on March 15, 2013, 08:07:17 am
Woah, did some huge falling out happen on the server last night??? I wasn't on but was just wondering whether this has been an idea for some time or one that really sparked last night?

Anywho.

I think the issue of rank is more to do with the players themselves. By no means will I name names here but certainly there are a few who engage in things like team-switching to blue each round to get kills, who talk as though they are the very best and everyone else should just bow down before them. Others who like to be at the very forefront of attention all the time etc. I find that while this is augmented by ranks, it's also got a lot to do with the ego of the person in question. Again, removing ranks might go some way to extinguishing this and may even deter the more 'troublesome' players from playing on the server.
However, now I sound as though I support removing ranks only to get rid of people on the server that tend to irritate me a bit - NO NO NO. (I think I speak for many when I talk about irritating people)
Although I think removing rank will be a good thing in returning prophunt to the more laid back and light hearted game that it was before, it is still a nice way of gauging ability for those who do try to play more legitimately the majority of the time.

My vote for now would have to be sitting on the fence at this time, I think we need a load more opinions before we can make any form of decision. Maybe adding the poll into the server for the time being like there are the votes for map likability/rating etc.

____________________________
On the issue of propmenu - true, it is exploited. I guess I am guilty of this some of the time as well. If there was a way of keeping the 'fun' props and only allowing a selection of 3 normal props (which are randomly selected at the beginning of each round for each player) I think this would add for a bit more fun in terms of what people get. but if it does go to only fun props, there also needs to be an option for returning to the prop you were given because running for the whole map is tiring and sometimes players just want to have a bit of LOL time with players in blue spawn who cannot move yet.

I would support this change if it had the 3 randomly selected for each person idea implemented, but I am not sure at all if that is possible.
______________________________

Above all else, return prop hunt to fun and remove the serious!

Marshii
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 15, 2013, 11:32:28 am
MAKE AN UNRANKED PROPHUNT SERVER AND KEEP THE RANKED ONE
EDIT : 16:33 - roarscreamo: that wont happen
KEEP RANKS

EDIT 2: EDIT HARDER
MORE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT RANKS (MOSTLY REGULARS) ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE ON THE FORUMS. THERE ARE PROBABLY LOTS OF NOOBS OUT THERE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT RANKS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO WANT RANKS BUT AREN'T ON THE FORUMS.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Luvedragon on March 15, 2013, 02:24:22 pm
MORE PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT RANKS (MOSTLY REGULARS) ARE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO BE ON THE FORUMS. THERE ARE PROBABLY LOTS OF NOOBS OUT THERE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT RANKS, BUT THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE WHO WANT RANKS BUT AREN'T ON THE FORUMS.

I would be more than willing to get the opinions of other regulars who do not currently have a forum account and post them here, with their permission.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: box on March 15, 2013, 02:37:56 pm
I think I might have actually encouraged SH to sync up to the official ranking, because at the time this place was a lot of fun and there were a lot of people I hadn't played against before. Since opening the floodgates, its also encouraged a lot of whining, bitching, complaining, etc.  I say go back to rankless SH. There will still be servers for people to play at that are ranked, such as Vault F4, GM, and WantedGOV.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Laura on March 15, 2013, 03:06:40 pm
On the issue of propmenu - true, it is exploited. I guess I am guilty of this some of the time as well. If there was a way of keeping the 'fun' props and only allowing a selection of 3 normal props (which are randomly selected at the beginning of each round for each player) I think this would add for a bit more fun in terms of what people get. but if it does go to only fun props, there also needs to be an option for returning to the prop you were given because running for the whole map is tiring and sometimes players just want to have a bit of LOL time with players in blue spawn who cannot move yet.

I would support this change if it had the 3 randomly selected for each person idea implemented, but I am not sure at all if that is possible.

I agree with that, 100%. The three random props.. seems a pretty good idea. Gives a challenge but also gives a bonus to donators, so it can't always be exploited. And on the issue of ranks, true, it does cause a lot of whining and complaining. Ranks should be taken out, honestly. It's gotten to the point where myself(along with a couple other regulars that I won't name), have taken to going to an old server I used to play on. We've been doing this for the mere fact that it is not ranked and we can just enjoy being there and having fun without having to deal with people complaining/whining about ranks all the time. It's kind of sad that we have to do that though.. ranks can be a goal, yes, but taking over our lives and sometimes even ruining friendships? A bit too far.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 15, 2013, 04:13:37 pm
Removing rankings won't bring back the old fun people on this server. People are still going to complain, it's just the way the server as gone. It's the internet, don't be so butthurt and just ignore the whiners  :-* :-*

EDITITTIES : 21:15 - [RG] MrEskimoMan: imo, it's not the ranks fault that people are whiny bitches
21:16 - [RG] MrEskimoMan: it's the people's fault that they're whiny bitches
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on March 15, 2013, 04:48:17 pm
On ranks:

SourceOP ranking system is far superior. It's better than nothing and nothing is better than what we've got. If you want a real opinion, ask a specific question please. :)


On the prop menu:

I suppose this is a decent place to post this.

Suggestion:
a) Remove "easy" prop menu props (bucket, CP, pile of hay, paint can, TV, etv. Would be map dependent.)
b)  Don't allow donors to switch to a smaller prop than the one they got. Could be tough to code.
c) Remove stats from the servers.
Only one is necessary. I prefer the third.


Reason:

Taken from: [url]http://forums.saxtonhell.com/index.php?topic=397.0[/url] ([url]http://forums.saxtonhell.com/index.php?topic=397.0[/url])

It's pretty obvious that the prop hunt server is at least semi-competitive. It's hooked up to a leaderboard, there's quite a bit of stat spam, and a good deal of the regulars obviously care about their stats. At one point, the leaderboard was used as justification to make changes/avoid making changes to the config.


I don't really mind it; use it or don't, I'll get you anyway. However, I think it has no place on a server that has historically been against pay-to-win. I know it exists mostly to bring in donations, and if you say as much I'll stop complaining.



Removing rankings won't bring back the old fun people on this server. People are still going to complain, it's just the way the server as gone. It's the internet, don't be so butthurt and just ignore the whiners  :-* :-*

EDITITTIES : 21:15 - [RG] MrEskimoMan: imo, it's not the ranks fault that people are whiny bitches
21:16 - [RG] MrEskimoMan: it's the people's fault that they're whiny bitches


You never noticed a difference between when you played on here and SOP with me? I didn't rage at everything ever before I started playing on the ranked servers.

Woah, did some huge falling out happen on the server last night??? I wasn't on but was just wondering whether this has been an idea for some time or one that really sparked last night?


I've been talking to anyone who'll listen about this for a long time. I know Luve has been talking with Roar. I don't know why this just got posted now.

I think the issue of rank is more to do with the players themselves. By no means will I name names here but certainly there are a few who engage in things like team-switching to blue each round to get kills, who talk as though they are the very best and everyone else should just bow down before them. Others who like to be at the very forefront of attention all the time etc. I find that while this is augmented by ranks, it's also got a lot to do with the ego of the person in question. Again, removing ranks might go some way to extinguishing this and may even deter the more 'troublesome' players from playing on the server.


Hi there. I exist. You can call me out on it should you feel like it. You'd be wrong, even if I come off that way. Sorry.

However, now I sound as though I support removing ranks only to get rid of people on the server that tend to irritate me a bit - NO NO NO. (I think I speak for many when I talk about irritating people)
Although I think removing rank will be a good thing in returning prophunt to the more laid back and light hearted game that it was before, it is still a nice way of gauging ability for those who do try to play more legitimately the majority of the time.


As a general rule, people who play more will have higher ranks. It's incredibly difficult to net a loss of points unless you're only playing blue and not getting any kills. Ranks aren't the same thing as skill.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 15, 2013, 05:41:01 pm
Yeah, but it's a person's choice to whine/complain AT the ranks.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Marshii on March 15, 2013, 05:49:42 pm
Eskimo, please 'contribute' to the thread rather than being so contrary and unhelpful.
Of course it's a person's choice, otherwise we'd all be automatons.
The point is; many of us who have a sense of community and friendship on the server would like to revert it back to that because as pointed out earlier, the ranking system recently is driving people apart. Maybe you don't care about friends on ph, maybe you do, I couldn't care less, but many of us do.

Furthermore, I know that there are a few people on the server, like myself, are not the most social of people outside of steam and so prophunt / steam is our main social contact with anyone. Prophunt used to be a brilliant hub of conversation, Lols and fun. I think (like others) that the ranking system, given the popularity of the server and the multitude of regulars is only going to prevent this.

Also, shooter, I'm not going to name names about those that care about rank or whatever, I've played with you, I know you're a nice guy who just plays the game. Fair enough. Please don't take this personally, I just have strong views about one the main and only places where I can talk/have fun with good friends.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 15, 2013, 07:42:59 pm
TIME 2 CONTRIBUTE
We should have a petition to remove the fortwar server for more space on the dedi for a seperate, unranked prophunt server. Or maybe some other mod to be removed or something. totes  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Punishment_Fatal on March 15, 2013, 07:44:35 pm
TIME 2 CONTRIBUTE
We should have a petition to remove the fortwar server for more space on the dedi for a seperate, unranked prophunt server. Or maybe some other mod to be removed or something. totes  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Nope.avi. We need a 10x server C:
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: jay50jay on March 15, 2013, 07:50:35 pm
TIME 2 CONTRIBUTE
We should have a petition to remove the fortwar server for more space on the dedi for a seperate, unranked prophunt server. Or maybe some other mod to be removed or something. totes  8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Maybe after we get our 10x server, our Hidden mod server, our Surf server, our Warioware server, and our MGE server.


but probably not
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Punishment_Fatal on March 15, 2013, 07:52:33 pm
Maybe after we get our 10x server, our Hidden mod server, our Surf server, our Warioware server, and our MGE server.


but probably not
I thought that we said no Warioware because it broke?
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Luvedragon on March 15, 2013, 07:55:03 pm
I thought that we said no Warioware because it broke?

I think the point is that we have priorities to other gamemodes rather than adding in another prophunt server.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: jay50jay on March 16, 2013, 01:44:05 am
Also, from what I can tell, the server has a large presence of people who do play Prophunt 'competitively'. To remove these ranks would alienate a large amount of your audience on the server. I don't play Prophunt often, but I have a hard time believing that ranks in a gamemode can break friendships or whatever.

And as I stated earlier, ranks or not, there will be a group of players who do take the game seriously and that will talk down on others. I would advise ignoring those who whine and bitch, because they'll do it regardless of rank or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 16, 2013, 07:35:09 am
Also, from what I can tell, the server has a large presence of people who do play Prophunt 'competitively'. To remove these ranks would alienate a large amount of your audience on the server. I don't play Prophunt often, but I have a hard time believing that ranks in a gamemode can break friendships or whatever.

And as I stated earlier, ranks or not, there will be a group of players who do take the game seriously and that will talk down on others. I would advise ignoring those who whine and bitch, because they'll do it regardless of rank or lack thereof.
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Dr.PanCakes on March 16, 2013, 02:36:28 pm
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: BLAKUboy on March 16, 2013, 03:36:53 pm
You know what server we really need? 24/7 2Fort. Maybe some Turbine.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 16, 2013, 03:39:29 pm
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: BLAKUboy on March 16, 2013, 08:23:20 pm
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Punishment_Fatal on March 16, 2013, 11:00:23 pm
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Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Marshii on March 16, 2013, 11:14:39 pm
aaaaaand back on topic......please.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Dr.PanCakes on March 17, 2013, 01:48:43 am
Well if it does get removed honestly ill just go to a ranked server :/
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on March 17, 2013, 03:05:31 am
Well if it does get removed honestly ill just go to a ranked server :/

You can choose from VaultF4 which is empty like 20 hours of the day and GM which is empty a lot too and will get you set on fire from across because their dedi sucks and it's in Europe.

I'm not too sure what ranks mean to people anyways. Maybe it's because 40 of my 55 days of prop hunt are on a server that jury-rigged their ranking system (which I still think is better) but it's not hard to tell who is the best after spending 5-10 maps on the server.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on March 17, 2013, 05:34:56 am
If this server becomes unranked, hopefully enough people will play on vaultf4 to get it started up.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: box on March 17, 2013, 09:49:44 am
People will flock to Vault F4, trust me, which is good. There will be a balance between here and there. The only reason people aren't playing so frequently there is because this is the "main" ranked server, but this has happened a lot over the years first with Alpha Omega, then FreeFrag, then AO shortly when it was revived, then back to FFN and then here, with GM sprinkled throughout.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Luvedragon on March 17, 2013, 04:56:44 pm
Well if it does get removed honestly ill just go to a ranked server :/

So, you can't possibly have any fun on an unranked server? Even if you have friends that play on that server?



See, ranks really do matter to a lot of people. And, in turn, can, will, and has ruined friendships. Being a part of this community for a while now, I have seen the changes in people, before and after we got ranks.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Laura on March 17, 2013, 06:06:31 pm
I know for a fact that you can have fun on an unranked server.. Like I said, I do this all the time, it is so much better for me and my select friends who do this with me. Going to an unranked server and just having fun. I'm all for ranks being taken out, honestly.

See, ranks really do matter to a lot of people. And, in turn, can, will, and has ruined friendships. Being a part of this community for a while now, I have seen the changes in people, before and after we got ranks.

They matter way too much. Yes, they can be a goal, but it's gone too far. I wasn't here for the change, but I was a regular long ago(about a year ago actually) and it was a really fun mode and not many problems between the regulars. I come back two months ago, and problems everywhere. New regulars and ranked. Yes, maybe some of the regulars can be blamed, but the ranks have a definitive role in this change.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: jay50jay on March 17, 2013, 08:26:14 pm
See, ranks really do matter to a lot of people. And, in turn, can, will, and has ruined friendships. Being a part of this community for a while now, I have seen the changes in people, before and after we got ranks.

If that ruins a friendship, you should take a look at who you're being friends with.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: BLAKUboy on March 17, 2013, 09:41:32 pm
Honestly, I think people are just making a big to-do over nothing. >_>
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Bubby on March 18, 2013, 07:41:09 am
I know this isn't really my place to speak, since I don't play PH very much. But, if ranks are such a big deal, keep them. If you take them out, the server will most likely take a dive in people. If you leave them in... people will be annoyed by arguements about people ruining someone's chance at a rank increase, etc.

I say leave it in if you want more people to be on, out for more fun. No one likes someone who's obsessed with wanting higher and higher ranks.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: ninjaa on March 18, 2013, 05:31:04 pm
I feel like removing ranks wouldn't really help. If the truly competitive players still play on the server without ranks, they'll still go for as many kills as possible. Those that are there just for fun will still be upset with the people who are playing extremely competitively, and the same problems will still exist.

That said, I like some of the features of the ranks (time played, weapon kill tracking, weapon records, etc.). Weapon kills/records especially have made prophunt more fun for me, because it's caused me to challenge myself to use weapons/strategies that I might not have used otherwise.

The actual rankings and points don't matter that much to me. It's kind of nice to see when I go up in rank, but not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: WhiteLightning on March 30, 2013, 06:32:22 pm
I agree with ninjaa. If ranks are taken out, the competitive people will either stop playing here or just play the same way as before. While ranks matter to some, it's more their gamestyle than anything else. And honestly, you can't get angry at these people. They are playing prophunt the way it was designed, without breaking the rules. And I'm fairly sure they're having fun or they wouldn't be playing.


One idea I have had for a while, but would be more difficult than the other two options or either having ranks or not having them, is to make a different rank system. One similar to dodgeball. It wouldn't keep track of your hours played, total kills, kill/death ratio, just your best. For example, the top kills in one map on say Oasis. It would show the best of each players' points by the end of the map and rank them. The upside, in my view, to this is that people can mess around and have fun without worrying about what it will do to their rank, but there will still have a competitive side some people like. Just an idea.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: mongolian-bbq on March 31, 2013, 06:25:39 pm
I agree with white and ninjaa, except that the dodgeball ranking system might encourage people to teamswitch onto blu to hunt and get more points, while on dodgeball it isn't a problem because both sides get to reflect.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on March 31, 2013, 06:39:27 pm
I agree with white and ninjaa, except that the dodgeball ranking system might encourage people to teamswitch onto blu to hunt and get more points, while on dodgeball it isn't a problem because both sides get to reflect.

Eliminate picking teams. People can try to switch but that makes it a little trickier.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: BLAKUboy on March 31, 2013, 06:40:50 pm
I agree with white and ninjaa, except that the dodgeball ranking system might encourage people to teamswitch onto blu to hunt and get more points, while on dodgeball it isn't a problem because both sides get to reflect.
As if they don't already?
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: HipsterGlaceon on March 31, 2013, 06:53:08 pm
How about "Most Kills on Blue", "Most Kills on Red".
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: VoiDeD on March 31, 2013, 07:40:45 pm
We don't control the stats system enough to make any changes like that. That's better suggested at GM.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on March 31, 2013, 07:44:01 pm
We don't control the stats system enough to make any changes like that. That's better suggested at GM.

I think he was suggesting to scrap the GM one and write your own. I'm fairly sure that's an out-of-the-question time investment, though, and I would suggest picking up the SourceOP "credit" system over what we have now. I think Drunken F00l released all of the SourceOP code as an open-source project after he got hired at Valve.

How about "Most Kills on Blue", "Most Kills on Red".

Give the non-admins access to the force team-switch commands and I'm all for this.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: WhiteLightning on April 02, 2013, 03:23:10 pm
To clarify, yes, in my post I was suggesting to stop using the GM ranking system and make a new one. But what Shooter said is true; it might be too difficult and or time consuming to create a whole new rank system.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on April 03, 2013, 09:10:33 am
please don't turn into another SourceOP
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on April 05, 2013, 03:32:08 pm
please don't turn into another SourceOP

What's wrong with their rank system?
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on April 05, 2013, 04:15:21 pm
What's wrong with their rank system?

it's not the one we have
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on April 05, 2013, 04:37:47 pm

it's not the one we have

Exactly, the one we have sucks. That's what this thread is trying to determine.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: BLAKUboy on April 05, 2013, 04:38:45 pm
The one we have is fine. Outside of constantly going down because GM.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on April 05, 2013, 04:54:26 pm
The one we have is fine. Outside of constantly going down because GM.
GM got some new stuff so downtime should decrease
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: box on April 05, 2013, 07:58:06 pm
Exactly, the one we have sucks. That's what this thread is trying to determine.

You grew up on SOP so naturally you're as biased as we are about GM's. A new ranking system at this point seems ridiculous: its either remove or keep.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Marshii on April 06, 2013, 08:24:05 am
Surely if ranks are causing so much controversy, would it not be best to just leave them alone i.e. not have them at all? They really can't be worth this much fuss considering there are other servers with ranks as you've already pointed out. For instance S-OP, and GM have their own server, so surely if people like a specific type of rank system they can go to the respective server? Saxton Hell, despite being a great place, cannot please 100% of the players 100% of the time, similarly I'm not sure it can have more than one ranking system incorporated at the same time.

If we are divided over the issue in the forums, why not trial different rank system, maybe one week use GM, the next, S-OP etc. ( I know that would be a great ask on the admins) but from what I can see, a vote on the server seems to be the best way to decide whether to keep ranks, remove them, or change them. Personally I have no preference other than to resolve this issue in the fastest way possible so that everyone can get along and have fun playing PH again because at the end of the day ranks don't matter. (Unless you plan to put it on your CV ) :P
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: milligraham on April 06, 2013, 05:44:36 pm
Personally, I am okay with keeping ranks. I do like how it tracks how many kills you have with different weapons. It can give people something to strive for, but I do agree that it can turn from a goal to an obsession for some. I think the most important part of playing prop hunt is making sure that I am playing because I'm having fun and want to, not for the sole purpose of ranking up. As long as I am enjoying myself, whatever rank ups happen are just the cherry on top.
I do have a concern about what will happen to the prop hunt hell community. I love being able to hop into a game and play with a bunch of fellow regulars. I'm worried that if ranks were removed it would cause many regulars to go their separate ways. prop hunt hell has been my main prop hunt server is because I love the community. I would hate it if a bunch of regulars never got back on and I rarely got to see them anymore.
Would I still play if ranks were removed? Yes, but I'm concerned about what the consequences of rank removal might be.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: mongolian-bbq on April 08, 2013, 02:34:27 am
I personally would advise removing the ranking system from the server. I enjoy the weapon kill tracking as much as anyone else, but stranges do that just as well, and that way it's less about stealing it from someone else and more about getting to the next level. The argument can be made that it would discourage players from spending as much time on the server, but if the only reason you play is to rank up then there are other servers that use the same system. Removing the ranks doesn't have to mean no more competitiveness either - you can still fight for the top of the scoreboard. And if at the end of the day, you just like seeing your name up on the rankings, just head over to GM's site - it's still there.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on April 09, 2013, 04:34:04 pm
Surely if ranks are causing so much controversy, would it not be best to just leave them alone i.e. not have them at all? They really can't be worth this much fuss considering there are other servers with ranks as you've already pointed out. For instance S-OP, and GM have their own server, so surely if people like a specific type of rank system they can go to the respective server? Saxton Hell, despite being a great place, cannot please 100% of the players 100% of the time, similarly I'm not sure it can have more than one ranking system incorporated at the same time.

If we are divided over the issue in the forums, why not trial different rank system, maybe one week use GM, the next, S-OP etc. ( I know that would be a great ask on the admins) but from what I can see, a vote on the server seems to be the best way to decide whether to keep ranks, remove them, or change them. Personally I have no preference other than to resolve this issue in the fastest way possible so that everyone can get along and have fun playing PH again because at the end of the day ranks don't matter. (Unless you plan to put it on your CV ) :P

This. A vote sounds nice to me, although I'm not sure how many of the regulars who are gone now would come back even if the ranks were removed.

PS, is a CV similar to a resume?
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Marshii on April 09, 2013, 04:52:40 pm
Yeah, a CV is something we would write and give to potential employers, kinda like a profile to show that you're good for the role.

I.e. if you are applying for a job, "I got rank []" would hardly be noticed.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Max on April 20, 2013, 08:49:59 pm
Looks like I'm a month late to the party here. Hah.

Well, what I think is that whatever you change with the server, there will always be people complaining no matter what. Nothing can be perfect to a whole community of people. You can't please them, no matter how hard you try. My view on the ranks? I like them, to be honest. It makes me strive for something, it forms a purpose to play the game. From what I've been seeing, people don't like how I play. Why not? You might not see it, but I'm just laid back while playing. I used to play over on the SourceOP prop hunt server, and I've played the same exact way I play here. I might be quiet, but I've never had any negative effect on anyone to my knowledge. Well, of course, seeming to be serious and not talkative. Well, it's my personality. I'm rather reticent. I've formed friendships so easily on the SourceOP server. It just seems like Saxton is so...uptight, you know? People make the problems in the community, even if you might not even be aware of what you've done. If I've caused any problems, it's not my fault, since I'm just being myself. But of course, in TF2, servers specifically, are where there are many communities that form. I'm proud of how well structured this community has become, but it's not always heaven on earth. There can be a stormy sea where problems arise.

Personally, I feel like I like the GM server rankings better than SourceOP's though. It'd really be amazing to have both ranking systems on one server. Propmenu? Sure, I use it sometimes. I mean, you donate, you get perks, it's as easy as that. As to abusing it? I don't know. You paid $5 a month, for god's sake! Calm down. And for people wanting more donator perks? People can't get enough! Like I said, there's always downers and haters or just people who are flat out greedy. Seriously, not many use shotgun here, since it's nerfed. Small props shouldn't be a problem to kill with flamethrower and flare.

Just an opinion. Leaving mine here. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: box on April 20, 2013, 09:01:25 pm
People can't abuse propmenu, however they can predictably rely on it. I can tell you what props individual players will choose, and what likely spots. The problem w/prop menu is that it gives every1 a false sense of security and instead they get gangfucked unless its against a server of noobs who dont know any better. I always like the idea that prop menu would lend you the crazy obviously-not-in-tha-map props.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on April 21, 2013, 04:48:05 pm
Propmenu? Sure, I use it sometimes. I mean, you donate, you get perks, it's as easy as that. As to abusing it? I don't know. You paid $5 a month, for god's sake! Calm down. And for people wanting more donator perks? People can't get enough! Like I said, there's always downers and haters or just people who are flat out greedy.


We're against selling significant gameplay advantages.

Pay to win is terrible.

This goes against our no significant donator gameplay advantages creed.
(Not taken from discussion of propmenu)

I don't think more gameplay ruining donor perks are are good idea. While it is a trade server, it gets pretty damn annoying when people keep claiming "admin abuse" all the time.
(Same here)


I think the idea of donors getting MORE props is good but I think the idea of donors getting the BEST prop every time is bad, even if you're going to be painfully obvious hiding it.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Marshii on April 22, 2013, 04:53:52 am
What I've found with many who use the smallest props on PM including myself at times is that it always tends to be the same prop as Box said, not only that, but you can usually know within a small range of about 2 or 3 places as to where they will be hiding. Even after a few rounds you can usually tell what someone's strategy is. I've tried this many times on otherside; use a small prop and go to the same location and get found, fair enough, but the following round the same spot wasn't checked until about 15 seconds to go before the end of the round.
So while you potentially could 'abuse' PM, it doesn't take a large amount of thinking to know what/where they'll be.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on April 22, 2013, 11:06:50 am
donators getting propmenu is fucking stupid, please remove it
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Shooter` on April 22, 2013, 05:59:10 pm
Marshii, yes you're obvious. Yes I can find you. However as quoted in my other post, apparently this server is against "selling significant gameplay advantages". I'd love to argue that getting the easiest prop to hide is, in fact, a significant gameplay advantage.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: HipsterGlaceon on April 22, 2013, 11:11:45 pm
getting the easiest prop to hide is, in fact, a significant gameplay advantage.
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: MrEskimoMan on April 23, 2013, 12:09:22 pm
i've asked voided before but he is too much of a smelly poo poo head!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Rank Removal
Post by: Dr.PanCakes on December 06, 2020, 02:06:33 am
They should be brought back